dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.
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I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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Ok, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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+ n' I3 _: D6 {7 q9 wNow at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.

* E8 T% i' d  s- U(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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. t7 @+ J/ e" ?1 FWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:
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1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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; t0 g/ X) ^" c2 h* h2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)

3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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5 `8 E0 o# X+ h& X& z) xI think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?

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% |8 `$ L+ h6 c) X; @I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
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& y# Q+ K2 b) ^- Flike 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
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2 w7 O, M; G" L7 L$ tor atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
one.

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: M' |' U. K5 v1 q0 j2 ]( dMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
, K  i  e; ^$ f1 dCL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually
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it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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+ D4 d( O/ \# A/ n& Swould be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
traffic to it. (about 20k per month or so)
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, e" F/ Y/ G) h. o: W( ZNow on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
6 x& @1 |# g8 e* J! Xwhy bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
3 q. _# u, O" x, r  \the offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?
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& {6 ^8 q2 O# `( c: e* B# `Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
/ i; n% z/ X: I9 w6 O- y1 Koffers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
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: F5 E4 e+ {+ w% ]: z% rHm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

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2 M6 X9 J! i; Y1 _But with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
1 U& \' y' j3 E" g: M7 _9 D& nCC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!


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Heh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  
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Thanks in forward!
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Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?
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Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!
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Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!