dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.

I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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questions/things I'm doubting on.
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7 H4 @7 Q% O& \& `6 p5 t9 NOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.

I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.

, }* p) c+ H/ e% g. Y(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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+ Q3 N; b7 T6 x2 q7 `5 b$ Z5 d* TWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:
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- T; P( u7 k7 V' t1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.

. C2 {  A: }1 `7 v" ^2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)

( U" ^1 V% a/ w' n3 {3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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5 Z/ J' g7 O: f) N4 ^I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?

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+ j2 c. P3 O- ~5 P4 {9 P* FI was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
/ U% c" Y5 Y4 M- ~& c! `like 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
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one.


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' @- r# s. B# ]' KMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually
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it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
PPV. (I could tell I'm spending $400 on mediatraffic per month, which
. g; |# c7 R4 m) ?would be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
traffic to it. (about 20k per month or so)
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Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
why bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
the offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?
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& n7 N$ S" }( A* N5 m8 {Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
8 G, V) D: n/ u* Y$ Yoffers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

Would I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}



" [* m3 H$ a' f3 v& e3 s5 nBut with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
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. I6 I- x( u8 ^& [CC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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2 ]; q4 Z: Z" a5 tHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  

3 h$ L8 j0 G! c$ Q  @6 w( m' O$ XThanks in forward!

Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?

3 i4 P/ ]- }4 m3 P$ {3 O! i1 fNow, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!

Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!