dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.
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I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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1 m/ t* ?. p) S" i5 aOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.

- y) p7 C5 f# D+ e/ G& i0 \% cI would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
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(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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8 w6 m/ q# n1 p& S5 ]Well anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:
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% Z1 w: H8 M6 V+ n1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.

/ e1 C7 e4 v& f! t) o0 _  {2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)

: L) k1 [" q6 M3 i% c3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?
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4 T5 l3 x: m3 O* @1 ^' lI was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
1 N5 C; }, J0 r, M(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
like 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
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one.
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9 k4 \' v5 g- L) X1 O- xMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
9 m8 P! k# p5 J" a, |CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
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it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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- w) h" Y0 }; E+ T! ?5 B6 Q1 SNow on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
why bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
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cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?
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Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
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sites I could cover that up.
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

- M% L( ^8 m- E1 ^$ K9 O% GWould I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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) |: p% O" O0 W+ X- G8 \( j- GBut with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
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7 M. G4 G  D# `% eHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  

4 l0 x0 |4 H" ?Thanks in forward!

Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?

8 l3 z+ w1 h) {4 uNow, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

4 W  Q8 Q3 s& W3 QI guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!

Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!