dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.
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  Y6 ], R0 z2 ]! W8 s- \! `% \! F% PI've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
thought it would make it easier to follow if I underlined the
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) v( ^  N* l" S( M! AOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.
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(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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Well anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:

1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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8 v5 M( D6 ^" v7 Q* z" o# E2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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/ s1 m' S( g: N9 q3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.

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$ g* f5 `" |: ~! D# y$ u( XI think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?

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# k. t! i$ }+ z# i( {5 v2 }# a, OI was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
2 V8 X7 ^' w3 y( U! ]8 [(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
like 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
or atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
one.

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1 w9 g' V3 T# o, ^6 F2 N* sMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
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it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
why bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
the offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?

$ C, l6 _8 x4 K8 EAlthough a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
offers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

Would I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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But with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
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CC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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5 D" B" y2 u! G* V, XHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  

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Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

9 j8 v" D, _! oAnyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?

1 [) f7 e8 D. T$ L: M- _Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!
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6 p+ {+ n, G- U  w& b8 E- w1 PAnyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!