dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.

I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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questions/things I'm doubting on.
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) V6 Y; y5 s# K! ZOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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) |5 S8 z, T0 D3 |- t! ~I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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3 j" R1 B5 P$ l5 B1 o1 aNow at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
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(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)

; _* M3 l; u( `' oWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:

1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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0 ]# Z: N5 H5 e1 C- _3 n6 K8 W2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)

3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.

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I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?
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8 @& {' C  @1 y/ |* E; WI was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
: R+ H$ E" E- U* e% g) v0 D6 nlike 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
& t+ P5 }# u' W8 X+ _* k* U/ tdefinitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
or atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
one.
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6 G' g+ n' e8 H$ UMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
) c" Y& }) l6 r) l/ V$ Zif possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually
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it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
PPV. (I could tell I'm spending $400 on mediatraffic per month, which
would be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
traffic to it. (about 20k per month or so)
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- x0 f# n) g8 v% h* LNow on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
5 K, ?, ]% R# t9 [3 p! V4 Twhy bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
the offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
" N) \, s8 s9 h2 R* v, Hcloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?

* y' f8 ~. u3 ?/ P4 l" ~Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
$ p8 e* U7 U3 toffers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
sites I could cover that up.
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?
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# f7 F* _' g; |- h* SWould I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}

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But with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
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# [8 l8 Z9 v; kCC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!


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Heh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  

Thanks in forward!
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Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

9 H, v3 W6 A* G2 C& M& Q7 N! @: wAnyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?
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Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?
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I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!
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0 z0 Z7 t- U. aAnyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!