dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.
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I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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3 H; v, ~( D6 ^3 E7 _; tOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)


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; ?9 {' _1 ~9 d, L, x* [  tNow at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.

(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)

( D) f0 \& L: W3 Q. ^# KWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:
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1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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' d  ]$ ?1 X$ S$ g" O2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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9 Y2 Z& J6 p6 p- V7 c; d3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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0 [5 y! g$ ]$ E- U- ~- T2 f% UI think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?

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I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
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/ Z% F) g1 Z# v2 _7 G  glike 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
* |5 e7 e9 B  I, F% l% Mdefinitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
or atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
one.

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6 [. y8 X5 P0 h8 b- R# o3 eMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
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2 l% F* g  w# o6 xit would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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traffic to it. (about 20k per month or so)
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Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
why bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
the offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
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Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
, G# M3 l8 r* D7 Loffers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
sites I could cover that up.



Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

3 N8 J/ y: R: [' I2 T: T& P0 PWould I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}


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But with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
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Thanks in forward!

Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.
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Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
0 m+ V3 `) |5 mSo there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?

Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?
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# e( w6 w1 A; g% Y( U2 QI guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!

Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!