dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.
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4 n" Q) V- x) V3 h0 B' H7 WI've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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; D* F' K( G' P+ ]7 SOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.

I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
5 d# y/ Y1 ]7 o. rguys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
! C" l  n% v3 Q8 E# y/ \the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.

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  E% _; r6 E3 K1 Y" h% R  `Well anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:

4 g2 A- b6 p" L1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.

2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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! C5 O8 W! Q7 w" \0 D% a/ V( _I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?


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I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
2 ?1 X" _  o/ r, O/ v(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
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definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
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5 Z2 [1 o( h! D, yMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
8 r" d# @, N! C$ B! ZCL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
, \0 i0 [2 o7 S- K' \if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually

it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
5 r; d( {' p$ u+ f2 m& mPPV. (I could tell I'm spending $400 on mediatraffic per month, which
' a+ j6 I% u: Awould be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
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Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
why bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
9 y2 L) |3 u9 r% nthe offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?
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Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
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sites I could cover that up.


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$ @8 _* o1 e7 M7 rHm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?
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- w3 T$ w# X7 I  UWould I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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But with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
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5 X! ^! U& s& K4 _$ B3 F' m2 `' b3 DCC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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, b. C. O* E! x/ W0 C7 s  [2 cHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  
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! j+ p* Z; G7 G/ P% n* h5 HThanks in forward!
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Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

6 n/ s/ U. t0 O$ Q4 BAnyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
+ Y- n& h+ g' }# W/ d5 Z/ ESo there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?
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. ~# w- e7 _% f: d- t, NNow, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?
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# r3 A& f! r7 R7 `' ?I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!
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Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!