dating on CPA networks

Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.
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4 W3 n3 |. _# T: A$ r% @I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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Ok, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
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  E6 A3 b3 D5 [, ]1 }(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)

Well anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:

6 u3 [! i9 f" n; {1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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; m, E4 B/ M; n" r' V: W/ c2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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$ @) B. T" S# qI think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?

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I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
$ E" c& Q% z* C( _7 @. j(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
2 y% o& m2 K7 X0 P2 `3 S% Qlike 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
( K- c; n+ F# _" [definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
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. q9 ~" @" m5 t3 H" Q2 \My #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
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recommended this. And actually

it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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would be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
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+ {/ I  x! t( ^3 Z2 T  U6 S! g1 _& FNow on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
why bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
the offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
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Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
7 W+ X/ E/ {3 j2 V/ T# o  Yoffers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?
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Would I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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4 x, g1 }) N+ ~) A* K1 L8 OBut with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
CC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!



- O# ^8 S/ w% [% K0 [Heh, well - that's pretty much all..for now
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4 I3 y) _0 }3 C" g  F- Q+ l3 K% tThanks in forward!

Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.
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Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?
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Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

) E6 m4 ]) ^- r; @: P$ Z2 y, cI guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!

; s' h) V, |" Z6 }6 mAnyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!

Thanks for posting this Sam although its a shame none of the experienced guys on here have replied to the post. If you have had private replies perhaps you can share them so we can all benefit.

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  X6 D& k: h& |% c) o: kYea I'm in the same boat. I want easy signups that convert and look legit
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