dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.

I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
thought it would make it easier to follow if I underlined the
questions/things I'm doubting on.

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Ok, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.

  ?- Z3 `; L* j* ^- II would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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2 ^/ l/ X2 S. Q6 Y! \  cNow at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
1 O3 K& u8 J! v6 n# aguys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
; r& [' u8 w, f2 [the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.
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(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)

Well anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:
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! Q/ p( p) f! n$ I& H0 o1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.

2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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! e* R$ D+ Z/ _0 }# hI think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?

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I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
2 I& o- q7 g* u7 I$ |2 U(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
like 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
4 e3 r) p3 g) y( a* g) _or atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
one.
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My #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
" R+ d- `! K8 t0 ^4 r3 M! l6 nCL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
0 @) F/ j9 t4 k8 \6 Bif possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually

it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
3 E5 e* d! \0 x4 w! R; }- V$ j+ ~. [$ ?PPV. (I could tell I'm spending $400 on mediatraffic per month, which
, l0 J; d* T3 A# Q6 z, u( }1 u$ ]would be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
traffic to it. (about 20k per month or so)
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2 M. N  ^# y$ H4 _Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
why bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
4 {, g$ f. V8 g! x7 L4 D: v- [$ Wthe offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
5 s/ `+ E6 {- n! `( W+ ^& `cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?

! O* ?8 |5 D# `( j$ BAlthough a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
2 J. c9 q. T! G' P% }9 Koffers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
sites I could cover that up.
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

" z+ ^$ h1 d( k1 u: u. d  Q" iWould I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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  F/ T( H" U- d% DBut with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
3 U2 U8 X# S3 J8 ?look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
9 h) B6 D, O" D, UCC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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Heh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  

9 L1 l1 L, u+ W# F6 HThanks in forward!

Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.
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( E" M% {5 N. H9 }9 n6 j3 w  _% x$ v+ yAnyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?

4 O* p+ K& J) j3 b; V& m- JNow, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

% B  l& L( b+ J# [  f( k6 B; qI guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!
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Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!