dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.

& \* ~9 O3 w( n+ d5 Q& ~& v1 ?, R5 FI've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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: m- P$ ~( q9 E: \Ok, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.

! m, }# z1 a9 p! z* I; a0 D(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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+ H2 b0 Q$ a9 B: D3 h; SWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:

# K. D8 ?: e. C: t$ X1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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1 A* o8 d( Y# U3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?
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! [( E) e# H8 ^* ?+ A3 uI was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
like 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
or atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
one.
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3 U# d0 n. n4 ^# ^+ k4 U) o# [$ I- mMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
1 A; r8 s- V& P: `" O4 QCL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
9 a1 d4 K" r$ p. d6 U$ q2 [( nif possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually
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: `% H4 M) x) k9 n& u3 K  Cit would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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, Z: n( y, e4 owould be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
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Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
6 _6 W# `1 R' H0 ^# H8 W# t; \9 D% kwhy bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
! l$ v9 P- X( V$ [5 ithe offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
5 l/ s* h$ e! r1 m0 _- t2 J# Vcloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?
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Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
offers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?
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Would I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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But with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
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CC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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. u* Z; x! ?' z1 T# VHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  

1 a; S$ r# [1 K3 [& m/ TThanks in forward!

Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

2 n0 s9 S& q% o1 D( H0 k% @0 KAnyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?
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  V% M2 C' h1 L$ Z4 N+ [Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?
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0 x7 R' ^: x4 b0 E& II guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!

Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!