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發表於 2012-5-20 23:09:23 | 顯示全部樓層 |閱讀模式
Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.5 R/ m1 y: V: B$ M
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I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I. M5 s. K! H; n: X* r* n, b
thought it would make it easier to follow if I underlined the  k2 y* ~/ y- x: ]5 a# i7 h
questions/things I'm doubting on.& o' [5 G# `( c% r) H; H% p

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. h2 z9 R' z) g3 b: VOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks., K8 t% M$ D/ Z$ L, b# |
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I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about8 v. K; L8 m9 l, `4 {9 T! |0 j9 k
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
% g/ a3 g1 ]$ i' rthe leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.8 v+ U  U% |3 J) p) g" K0 T- P

; ^( A- T! D! z$ _( Q(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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  E4 K8 w, y4 ^! WWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:1 l- C7 ~9 K, R' e" l* T- w) r
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1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.& j# ?5 R2 b5 ^$ d/ P& p5 N& D

; T8 _2 Z' `+ a- O( L2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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' V, [3 `$ X( }7 E8 ~; @* |6 j" q( O8 m4 N3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?
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(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is( `7 z8 [2 k3 P# G3 c% ~$ k
like 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will1 W3 Z7 z& V2 C2 a2 c7 i
definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them$ U. r/ c# m. l( g
or atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another. R& P3 G6 A. z3 D) S0 Q
one.
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5 f7 A4 Q% r3 [! r' ~% i) J( E7 fMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:  v( R' U# @' X
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /& I: h1 O( z) x
if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people8 M! F' V  w/ Z+ W. K" @
recommended this. And actually( f" t) M* _0 @

8 M8 ?7 w: H2 |" Tit would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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. x) c5 v4 F4 c7 y3 z2 J% mwould be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake* h0 I3 I8 ]9 l# W
traffic to it. (about 20k per month or so)8 J# r( u2 B/ t- M* x6 t
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5 c4 s8 Q; C. b* ~Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
8 I# w0 b3 w% o) H! x1 \$ _6 Kwhy bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
# R9 Z% s, g: \* Z0 ethe offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
9 M+ d  a* I% R6 ]1 Z# h# wcloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?. [* ]. m) k* ]" e1 p; b

+ ]8 f. q) c6 yAlthough a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
* R8 h8 V% T) R: z0 A& Goffers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through8 r! A# s" {* j! \
sites I could cover that up.1 j  d4 K! O3 a3 h0 A+ d1 O& n
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?
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3 o% A* ^6 F2 x$ ~3 x+ K7 mWould I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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3 ]  ^6 G# F' e' d2 |) jBut with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually+ e5 t3 G2 p  r- q( W' \$ Y
look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
. B# o+ a7 h* _9 g7 zCC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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# l# V% B2 E7 t" h6 P1 nHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now
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. S9 S; i/ H$ C0 w; QThanks in forward!
 樓主| 發表於 2012-5-20 23:09:35 | 顯示全部樓層
Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.
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Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:% [' F* |2 p- J  |, u# @; Z
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?
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# ]% w- n# j& B( tNow, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?
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I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!
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$ x' t6 y! w# j: B: ^2 a. kAnyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!
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 樓主| 發表於 2012-5-20 23:09:44 | 顯示全部樓層
Thanks for posting this Sam although its a shame none of the experienced guys on here have replied to the post. If you have had private replies perhaps you can share them so we can all benefit.
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 樓主| 發表於 2012-5-20 23:09:57 | 顯示全部樓層
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Yea I'm in the same boat. I want easy signups that convert and look legit
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