dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.
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I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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Ok, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.

I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)


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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
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the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.
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(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)

; Y5 f. E: J2 j9 M0 y( aWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:

$ Z9 ~' c3 j9 W/ l. |/ j1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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5 H' |! a9 R" U2 |$ w& i2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)

$ [3 Z3 w0 w; `5 ^. I, K6 c3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?

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/ ?& a& \3 w$ {# }I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
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0 i( F9 n; P$ i8 B  T3 J2 N4 Xlike 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
or atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
one.
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+ m  R8 U0 Y8 nMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
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if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually

it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
PPV. (I could tell I'm spending $400 on mediatraffic per month, which
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traffic to it. (about 20k per month or so)


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5 j& t; N# i7 @, c* bNow on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
8 I- ~, u2 \! {, hwhy bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
the offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
( t! o5 n) I% ~/ C) Qcloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?

Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
9 r( `5 S; w9 L7 f$ `+ z" i) ]offers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
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  X$ T2 N3 S, |2 ]1 AHm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

Would I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}


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# z8 |4 P/ a/ R5 p$ j8 @But with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
" \) b/ L% o8 S' i9 t' wCC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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, d/ O3 Z5 o: |7 G6 ?Heh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  

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Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
: ?- P7 S/ l- f5 K/ y' f& ISo there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?
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' b/ s- v9 K# N  h1 X+ g/ |! lNow, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

5 [/ _" h' A7 n+ D2 d/ nI guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!
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/ s# R6 Q: V! U4 R) m; _) zAnyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!