dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.

I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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Ok, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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9 X/ u. }# k" a& `I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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5 z& }; Q( X" D% L" z5 ]3 V* qNow at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
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(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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( C: A/ I$ f: D( K. y; ?Well anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:
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1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.

2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.

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, z& u$ C- x, w4 d8 G" MI think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?



I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
like 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
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or atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
one.
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My #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
1 C7 O) R3 i& S8 @if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually
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! X& O- d# A. f& J% V  sit would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
PPV. (I could tell I'm spending $400 on mediatraffic per month, which
( z) Y1 w: l- S9 t. y8 lwould be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
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5 u2 O% a6 ?% h. H4 H) \Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
1 P- F# G$ c$ B) @, bwhy bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
the offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?

0 ]: d% y: }( l6 r1 {0 l; l  y( ?3 z4 KAlthough a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
offers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
sites I could cover that up.

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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

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. s, e3 J3 c3 P' ]9 TBut with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
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CC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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+ [: i1 L8 Z4 YHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  
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Thanks in forward!
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Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.
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Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
2 O! M$ e' d  Z. x4 ]So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?
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Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?
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. w3 G; {2 a( O, v1 R! UI guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!

Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!