dating on CPA networks

Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.
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2 H  u8 U8 v, H  d# vI've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
thought it would make it easier to follow if I underlined the
questions/things I'm doubting on.
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, e+ z, {: ~: k# X4 ?" z1 Q  j1 NOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.

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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.
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(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)

. @# e# t" K: P4 |Well anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:

1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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3 f. _3 ^8 m0 Y1 }0 }3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?



I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
; H/ c  }8 |7 Y4 Xlike 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
! N2 N0 w$ w0 R% ]9 Ldefinitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
or atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
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My #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually

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PPV. (I could tell I'm spending $400 on mediatraffic per month, which
! T- l2 D: {. m7 {2 X% \/ Fwould be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
traffic to it. (about 20k per month or so)

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Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
7 b! x" }  Z4 Mwhy bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
1 i0 T2 Q" E! fthe offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?

( K* [) k' `( z" n( |Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
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sites I could cover that up.
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5 F# A2 c' v3 X  M4 O% ^# ]Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

9 b. S/ C4 G9 T3 c9 f/ C; r8 IWould I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
CC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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/ N8 i) m% h9 M3 w. F& L' iHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now
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; \1 h8 U, u# l! H6 v% d5 l! PThanks in forward!

Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

2 a0 O2 c7 \* t+ [0 `" z6 `) W7 d. B$ kAnyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?

Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?
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I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!

Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!

Thanks for posting this Sam although its a shame none of the experienced guys on here have replied to the post. If you have had private replies perhaps you can share them so we can all benefit.
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Nick

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Yea I'm in the same boat. I want easy signups that convert and look legit
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