dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.
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$ [9 {7 Y7 C1 P" D, {2 s9 O+ EI've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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* S) n% U; ^* P  h/ D) T& T3 nOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)


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! J3 K2 ~1 |8 A8 F  RNow at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
guys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
+ J! C" k" s/ Uthe leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.

(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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6 [. X% c  j# {+ B# qWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:
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1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.

2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)

3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.

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! U! S6 N3 f5 O6 J" mI think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?



% p/ x" l* B. |. y: G$ sI was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
like 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
6 ]# C5 c( A9 h: |) ]" Tor atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
one.

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/ e4 D5 v- f, B. p- i: I" r9 zMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
% v7 |/ o$ ?$ \2 }- Nif possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
recommended this. And actually

7 v& P0 U6 [0 ait would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
PPV. (I could tell I'm spending $400 on mediatraffic per month, which
would be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
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' k2 ~5 c0 E1 G2 P# k* z; DNow on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
' f! t& q8 B" M. A0 c. ^* Wwhy bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
# y! Y3 d5 o7 p9 @$ r2 L: wthe offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?

6 q. U3 H0 J4 m, Y+ ]4 a  Z( Z/ X' u4 QAlthough a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
. `3 v  N1 d8 yoffers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
$ \4 J2 @& `& p. qsites I could cover that up.
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?
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Would I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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) C6 n6 U, m/ t& LBut with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
CC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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. D& c2 {8 Y2 _- k0 X! T9 SHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  

Thanks in forward!

Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

4 F  R2 t( l8 \2 gAnyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?

+ l. v; |1 R! `  GNow, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!

5 ]: [9 t, ~( N9 nAnyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!