dating on CPA networks

Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.

I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
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3 H. G" y5 g: t6 Z7 V( oOk, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)
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; P  W/ h7 A! Q& O, GNow at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
: {: g* e7 ?# z. B/ L$ g7 kguys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
5 {% q/ j) P: o! pthe leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.

3 T+ A. L- @- q! D" X$ F(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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: J  }  b! F; m1 YWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:
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9 d4 N: H6 ]& m: H4 [4 E4 F1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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! z% i8 l3 U3 i$ f& d2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.



I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?

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I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
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like 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
definitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
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one.



7 c' \; @3 \1 E% t& FMy #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
5 z) L5 `- C% O8 Q% Q7 mCL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
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9 n+ ]9 E, ^& yit would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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would be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
traffic to it. (about 20k per month or so)


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Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
4 {( s& }9 F6 K4 {1 G( ]. a/ ?why bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
3 o* z- a8 g2 Y% i) f) i& l0 h; Uthe offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
2 i' D, B8 _; I; P5 K# p5 v9 scloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?

5 k6 z2 h4 J+ P" p. d5 }; _" [3 \Although a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
0 k6 @/ {! U" @0 Z6 @offers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
sites I could cover that up.
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?
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4 N! p6 z* t5 C9 Q5 e* cWould I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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But with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
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5 {1 |; o% \' z3 k5 j$ e* ~CC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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8 R! B7 ?' z0 x% `Heh, well - that's pretty much all..for now

Thanks in forward!

Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.
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  U- Y) D5 J8 x, m+ q3 E4 TAnyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?
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Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?
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1 A8 h$ H8 h9 K1 }I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!
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Anyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!

Thanks for posting this Sam although its a shame none of the experienced guys on here have replied to the post. If you have had private replies perhaps you can share them so we can all benefit.
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Yea I'm in the same boat. I want easy signups that convert and look legit
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